Comments on: Episode 03 – Principal Layout https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/ The Canadian Motorcycle Guide Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:33:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Episode 04 : 3D Without Glasses - Canada Moto Guide https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31834 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:30:05 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31834 […] amazing vehicles in the world. In part four the  renderings from the designers and practical calculations of the engineers must merge and take […]

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By: Vancan https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31713 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 01:29:22 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31713 I just happened upon this series and wow, really interesting. As a motorcyclist of many years, with an artistic bent but no practical knowledge of just how bikes get from idea to sales floor, this series really opens my eyes to the practical aspects of motorcycle production. It also explains some quirks I have seen in the many motorcycles I have owned (especially but not exclusively the small manufacturers driven more by passion than resources…). Thank you muchly for this series Michael!

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By: Trane Francks https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31648 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:21:52 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31648 Yet another fantastic article. I spent 14 years in the very niche realm of localizing testbed automation and data post-processing software for the Japanese, Chinese and Korean markets while at the Japanese affiliate of AVL List GmbH. I have never ceased to be awestruck by the majick of bringing a product from the infancy of an idea to the reality of something sitting in a showroom. Amazing, really.

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By: Michael Uhlarik https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31643 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 00:31:59 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31643 In reply to Christopher.

Thank you, Christopher, for that enlightening film. I can always depend on you to elevate any discussion about motorcycle technology to its natural, professional zenith.

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By: Christopher https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31642 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 00:13:54 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31642 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o

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By: Brian P https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31641 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:14:52 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31641 Excellent article! I’m involved in tooling and automation for the automotive industry. The challenges and compromises are the same.

I too curse when things are designed without consideration for maintenance … I shudder to think of the eventual spark plug replacement job on my van (transverse V6 on which part of the intake manifold has to come off to get access to the valve covers) … good thing it’s not due until 160,000 km. But I know how it happens. The engine gets designed by one team and the body by another, and the main consideration is that the vehicle goes down the assembly line easily, not what happens afterward. The spark plugs in my van went in before the intake manifold went on during engine assembly in a completely different factory from where that engine eventually gets plonked into a subframe and the whole deal stuck into the bodyshell in one big piece. In this case, this vehicle was never originally designed for a V6 gasoline engine at all, and sticking that engine in there was a complete afterthought for the North American market.

At least in the case of motorcycles, usually the frame is designed for that particular engine, so they can do thoughtful things, like putting a strategically placed hole in the frame that allows a T-handle to be inserted through the frame to get to throttle body clamps that would be beyond reach otherwise. The trouble with sport bikes is that everyone wants smaller, more compact, lighter, but with more power (and more heat to deal with), and you end up with an awful lot of equipment in a very small space. With my ZX10R, you have to take apart everything in order to get to anything, but at least there’s some logic to the way they’ve done it.

My favorite beefs? Electrical connectors with no readily apparent indication of which way tabs need to be poked or prodded in order to get the connector apart … and (*cough* Honda) bodywork that is not only put together with screws but also with clips and tabs so that you can take off every screw in sight and be no closer to having the body panel off the bike!

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By: TK4 https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31629 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:39:06 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31629 What Jimo368 said – ease of maintenance is often overlooked in designing something.
Try to replace a Honda Gold Wing hydraulic clutch line some time, or where BMW hides its oil filters.
Keep it up Michael !

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By: Jimo368 https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/02/23/episode-03-principal-layout/#comment-31626 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:16:44 +0000 https://canadamotoguide.com/?p=93350#comment-31626 I worked for many years with Westinghouse engineers doing maintenance on steam and natural gas powered turbines, and I have the utmost respect for their knowledge. We both would shake our heads though at the Cirque du soleil level of fitness and contortions it would take for us to access such things inside such ceramic coated vanes, IGVs or bleed off valves.
I still want to meet a few Honda engineers though, especially the one that required half the Gold Wing to be dissasembled to change the air filter.
I enjoy your continuing stories.

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